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Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium gdruce 16 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Jpellet, on the Data Stream screens it shows you the time period for the data rate.  For me that was since inception (2012), so it takes a while for the impact of the new data rate to appear.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Tnakelsk,

 

Yes that is what i thought... my question though is....  I change my Packet Send Interval for 30 to 60... but i see no change in my "average date rate"  under SEG "accounts "
"my data stream summary"... ..  i did let it run for a few hours...  but i still saw no change... THAT is my confusion.....

 

 

jp

 

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium Brultech 1 post

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hey guys,

 

First of all, thanks to Sam for providing this service for so long.  Server hosting can get very expensive, very quickly.

 

In terms of streams, I'm wondering if we configure a new GEM format that sends Watt-Hours only for each channel (selectable), every 60 seconds.   Assuming a packet comes through every minute, deriving Watts could be done with the time in minutes between packets, maybe as an option added to the "Line" variations of charts (assuming the calculation could be processed on the fly client-side).   This would cut streams down to 32.  Additionally, if you can add/remove channels, then those who aren't using every channel can add a few temperature and pulse instead.

Feel free to email me at ben(at)brultech.com with any ideas, thoughts, etc.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Set the Packet Send Interval to a value of 60 seconds, Sams reference to "data rate" is the interval that the data is sent to SEG  

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium kkemp 12 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Wow, hopefully you come to your senses before it's too late and you've already deleted everyone's historic data. When will you start deleting data?

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium shoepuke 13 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

And if you need documentation of the GEM setup screen process I think it should be in the manual GEM Configuration Manual GEM-CFG that you can also D/L from Brultech on the same page linked above.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium shoepuke 13 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

The setup screen referred to on page 6 is the setup screen on the GEM itself, not in SEG.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Yes Tnakelsk i  have it set up per the manual....  but i dont see where i adjust the data rate (that sam is refering to in his plans)

 

..?? sorry..   

 

thank you...  

 
Oct 21, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

jpellet wrote

"I am running a GEM how exactly do i change my data rates... I changed my packet send interval in GEM ...but that does not seem to make a difference to to he data rate..??  am i confusing the two?

 

thank you

jp"

 

go to

http://www.brultech.com/home/software/index.php/software/getsoft/1/1

 

and see "smart energy groups setup manual gem-seg

 
Oct 21, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

In 2008 I bought my first hybrid car, in 2009 I installed a Geothermal heating and air conditioning system. In 2012, I installed a 10,000 watt solar system. All these actions have dramatically reduced my carbon foot print. Over the course of the years a lot of people have called me an environmentalist and said that I’m going green. The truth is I’m not an environmentalist, I did this to save money and as for going green to me that means saving money. In order to save money sometimes you must spend money, nothing in life is free. After the installation of my solar system I became curious about what other opportunities existed to save some money. I had also taken a performance warrantee from the solar panel manufacture, this warrantee would pay money if the system did not produce as they claim. The panel manufacture supplied the monitoring of the panels which they would base the warrantee on, Since I’m such a trusting person I started to look at ways to monitor the panels on my own just to make sure that they are not overstating the panel production. One thing lead to another and I ended up buying a GEM from Brultech. Also around this time I discovered the SEG website, I joined SEG in June 2012, at that time I couldn’t get over that it was free, I actually sent an e-mail to Sam to ask about a paid account, Sam replied that at this time it’s free and he was trying to avoid the third party advertisers. I had told a couple of friends about SEG and said I don’t know how they are doing this for free. A business model of free just doesn’t work. Over the course of three years SEG has had some problems, I’ve lost some data, been frustrated at times but kept reminding myself that this is free. With that in mind I knew if I wanted my data I would need to also keep it myself. Again I turned to Brultech and bought a Dashbox. With all that said, SEG is a great site, I have capitalized on the data history that they had stored for me, I discovered various area’s that I could save money like my variable speed pool pump and hybrid hot water heater just to mention a few. Listen guys this site was free for many years, I truly think Sam has done a great job supporting the users, storing your data and overall is a great guy with a lot of patience. Truth be told if I was Sam I would have booted many of you out years ago. Remember this site was free…… It’s time to take a dump or get off the pot, stop your whining, I did, I opted for the free three stream deal at 1 minute intervals and one month of history. If you need more pay for it… Again nothing in life is free….

Again Sam thanks 

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

I am running a GEM how exactly do i change my data rates... I changed my packet send interval in GEM ...but that does not seem to make a difference to to he data rate..??  am i confusing the two?

 

thank you

jp

 

 
Oct 21, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Yes, people want more for less and a balance needs to be sought.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium kkemp 12 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Wait, are you seriously thinking you are going to delete all data after x months??!!????

 
Oct 21, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Ok good people of SEG.

There are are now three new fixed price plans available

https://smartenergygroups.com/pricing

Plus some small changes to the premium plan which is now called Platinum.

Also some other new and useful features

- on the account page is a stream summary information box.

- whilst in trial, the system will calculate a trial invoice

- you may switch between plans and see what works best.

- the trial invoice will point out your streams data rates, and those in excess of any included in the fixed price plans.

Some notes on the comments above:

General - I think the pricing where it is at is fair for fair use.  There are plans to cover SEGmeter and GEM setups at a reasonable price point.  There is also the platinum plan for people who want more, however super high data rates are going to cost!  Effectively you the member are in control of this and some rationaliation of how you choose to use the system should be made before complaining that crazy high data rate setups for 100+ streams are going to cost!  Bring your data rates down, and things become quite sensible.

Randy, unlikely - for a good many reasons.

RustyAmps, I am looking forward to getting over the hum with the billing engine - it has been a massive job, and driving me crazy.  I'm looking forward to doing some more enjoyable stuff like making new things, and improving things.  Post up in the comments and suggestions thread!

GregDePasse, It has taken a long time - some personal issues have been working against me over the last few years. The free trial period is the grace period as the kinks are worked out.  Storage is not the only issue, perhaps the biggest is my time - I am not being paid for any of this at the moment...  Disk is cheap when compared to time.  Also SEG ain't no Dropcam... I don't think there is any comparison.  Its a data analytics platform, that is full of all sorts of crazy algorithms and other complexity which is hidden under the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks,

Sam @sam

 

 
Oct 18, 2015
Icon_missing_medium GregDePasse 10 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

My 2 cents:

1.  I am surprised at how long it's taken for monetization to be an option.  SEG is a great dashboard, and worth paying for.

2.  The lack of information to give users an idea of what to expect to pay is shocking.  The account tab should show the number of streams, refresh rate and an estimate of what a monthly "Premium" bill will look like.

3.  The duration to make a decision is extremely short notice, especially in light of item #2 above.

4.  If storage is the cost driver then figure out how to recoup those costs. (a couple ideas - pay per block of storage and make it FIFO or provide tools to prune storage (remove datapoints as they age out, for instance).

5.  Any thought to selling the software to users and thereby allow them host in their own environment?

6.  I can't see myself paying more than $100/year for this.

(And as a datapoint: I pay ~$50USD annually for 1 week of 24/7 HD video recording space on Dropcam.  I can't imagine the SEG network and storage requirements are anywhere near my dropcam usage).

I get it and I want to support Sam and this site, and was actually happy to initially hear that there was going to be a premium version.  I was shocked when I did some quick mental math and came up with some numbers.

Greg

 

 
Oct 15, 2015
Icon_missing_medium RustyAmps 9 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Thought I'd throw my couple of cents into the ring.

I use a Segmeter to monitor a pile of circuits, which it does very well and the things on the Dashboard make sense for power/energy use. However I also use the system to log a whole lot of other sensing - tank and aquifer levels, pump flow rates, soil moisture - and the stream data types and dashboard items often aren't a very good fit.

So while I fully support Sam's desire to ensure the whole thing is paying for itself, and operates on a sustainable and profitable basis for him, from my point of view, once I start paying I guess I'd like to see the opportunity for some enhancements based on user request. Obviously whether or not they get implemented depends on difficulty & appeal to other users, so not demanding an absolute right to whatever I want added or changed, rather an acceptance that feature requests will be accepted and given consideration.

Russell.

 
Oct 15, 2015
Teles2012img_5162_medium dakinecrib 19 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

re: Vitual Hosting suggestion from
virtualfreak  Oct 9, 2015 12:48am

This is my favorite option discussed so far.

Take it a step further and offer (for a fee) a fully configured server that runs in a VM/OS client that would be the responsibility of the purchaser...

 

There could still be a nominal admin/membership fee and associated baud charges, but an optional no storage fee.

 

- Randy

 
Oct 14, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hi All,

Sandeen and shoepuke - thank you for your considered and helpful comments.

I'm not a marketing guy... making software that works kinda conflicts with that skill set ;)

I have been thinking about the tiered plans, and now working to make that happen.

Will keep you all updated.

Thanks,

Sam @samotage

 

 
Oct 12, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

From over a 100 streams to 3. Using the Dashbox for the rest. Take a look at my new seg dash board.

 

https://smartenergygroups.com/groups/01000377

 
Oct 12, 2015
Icon_missing_medium shoepuke 13 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

I'll throw my $.02 in here.  I don't think anyone will take offense at anything I'm about to say, but if you're really thin skinned, read no further.

 

Sam, you're a super smart guy, but like most tech people you seem to have shortcomings in marketing.  You need to hit pricepoints that are easy for people to rationalize, and you need to make it easy for people to make decisions monetarily.  That will probably require a lot of work on your end to make it feasible since you didn't create/design SEG with that as a goal.  You should tier pricing and have some low level prices that people wouldn't second guess whether or not they'll sign up.  I don't know what the data and data cost looks like so I don't know how the tiers need to be structured, but I'd say a free tier with 3-4 $ tiers at increments like:

$5/mo. - few streams low retention (can handle ECM-1240?)

$10/mo. - more streams med retention (GEM?)

$20/mo. - most streams long retention (2x GEM?)

$30/mo. - unlimited (crazy shit?)

For me, anything thats @ $10 is a no brainer and I'd just start paying.  My wife interrogates me all the time about subscriptions on the Credit Card statement for $9.99 or 11.99 or $7.99... I just sign up cause heck... it's just the cost of lunch.

 

Also, to make it easier to the user, you should receive all bits, then dump to the bit bucket whatever they're not paying for, rather than the user have to configure the device (perhaps a daily "rollup" of data so if a user is paying for 5 min retention you average data in 5 min increments).  Data againg would be good also as others have mentioned.  Not sure if you're familiar, but something like how VMware vCenter lets you configure data collection/retention.  Screenshot inserted.

You could have intervals of say 10sec, 30sec, 1min, 3min, 5min, 10min, 30min, 60min, 4 hour, 8 hour, 24 hour, and save for X hours, days, weeks, months, years, and you wouldn't need a statistics level.  I definitely expect setting something like this up is not a trivial endeavor.  

The key to making something like this work is maximizing the number of people participating.  I just don't know if you can get enough participants to make is work in such a niche area.  Looks like there are ~1300 users registered if half are uploading data and you can get an average of $15/mo from those users you might be able to make a go of it, and I hope you do!

 

I think many of us here are more than willing to pay for the service you provide, the rest of you stop being so cheap!

 

--Craig

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