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Oct 22, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

My intentions are to delete the historic raw data, maintaining the aggregated summaries.

There are issues however, like a re-calc needs to not destroy the aggregations that can't be re-aggregated...

Sam, @samotage

 
Oct 22, 2015
Icon_missing_medium kkemp 12 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hopefully instead of deleting data you  spend time creating a feature that allows one to set retention periods and roll ups so they can keep their history but at more realistic intervals such as daily or even hourly.  Then there could be a billing model where one paid for data points stored since you keep iterating storage (and your time) is the issue. 

Is there a way to merge streams permanently vs continiung to use calculated streams?

All I ask is that you give us warning and a chance to download our historic data before you start delecting it. 

I'm very hopeful that I will not have to find a more affordable solution that will allow me to keep historic data but if I do I really appreciate all the work you've put into this program as it will set the bar high for switching. 

 
Oct 22, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hi All,

Thanks for your kind comments.  For a long time SEG was supported by our once upon a time Government here in Australia that had energy efficiency programs.  That changed in 2013, when that Abort became prime minsister... Since then I have seen some tough times, a breakdown, divorce from hell amongst other challenges rebuilding my life from scratch.  In that period, SEG has suffered as I've struggled to make ends meet.  Building the billing engine has been a massive job, much harder than I expected, hence the delay - particularly with other events taking forefront.

But, I've kept at it, and thank you for being here.  I have managed to keep going because I don't have investors to placate - SEG is 100% bootstrapped.  I read this this morning and it is spot on.  http://avc.com/2015/10/negative-gross-margins

This is a cricual time for SEG, and it's difficult transitioning from free to paid.  Everyone want's something for nothing or more for less.

Right now, I have relaxed the gates in this transition period and I don't intend to be deleting data any time in the near future.  Besides, this means I need to write more code (which has an implicit cost) to make less money... It doesn't make sense really.

On Data Rates, those reported on the invoices right now are typically a 3 month average updated daily, however there will be an amnesty on this and the data rate calculations when time comes to bill will be based on the rates at billing time.  High data rate people will be notified of this, and very soon I will be implementing the amnetsty and sending notifications.

Data Rates are a statistic, and I hope to have some better statistic charting in the next week or so - this will work for all the stats, max, mins, averages etc.

Sam, @samotage

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium gdruce 16 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hi Sam,

Asside from my question above on data rates, nice work on the invoice.  Nice and clear and easy to see what is driving my bill.

Particulalry helpful to be seeing a draft invoice during the trial period, great idea.

thanks

Glenn

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium gdruce 16 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hi Sam,

i updated by Data Rate and it's reflecting in the Data Stream screens, but on the draft invoice it still seems to be looking back at my original rate.

Can I check that for billing purposes the data rate is the data rate for the billing period, not the rate when the stream was first established?

ta

Glenn

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium gdruce 16 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Jpellet, on the Data Stream screens it shows you the time period for the data rate.  For me that was since inception (2012), so it takes a while for the impact of the new data rate to appear.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Tnakelsk,

 

Yes that is what i thought... my question though is....  I change my Packet Send Interval for 30 to 60... but i see no change in my "average date rate"  under SEG "accounts "
"my data stream summary"... ..  i did let it run for a few hours...  but i still saw no change... THAT is my confusion.....

 

 

jp

 

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium Brultech 1 post

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hey guys,

 

First of all, thanks to Sam for providing this service for so long.  Server hosting can get very expensive, very quickly.

 

In terms of streams, I'm wondering if we configure a new GEM format that sends Watt-Hours only for each channel (selectable), every 60 seconds.   Assuming a packet comes through every minute, deriving Watts could be done with the time in minutes between packets, maybe as an option added to the "Line" variations of charts (assuming the calculation could be processed on the fly client-side).   This would cut streams down to 32.  Additionally, if you can add/remove channels, then those who aren't using every channel can add a few temperature and pulse instead.

Feel free to email me at ben(at)brultech.com with any ideas, thoughts, etc.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Set the Packet Send Interval to a value of 60 seconds, Sams reference to "data rate" is the interval that the data is sent to SEG  

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium kkemp 12 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Wow, hopefully you come to your senses before it's too late and you've already deleted everyone's historic data. When will you start deleting data?

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium shoepuke 13 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

And if you need documentation of the GEM setup screen process I think it should be in the manual GEM Configuration Manual GEM-CFG that you can also D/L from Brultech on the same page linked above.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium shoepuke 13 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

The setup screen referred to on page 6 is the setup screen on the GEM itself, not in SEG.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Yes Tnakelsk i  have it set up per the manual....  but i dont see where i adjust the data rate (that sam is refering to in his plans)

 

..?? sorry..   

 

thank you...  

 
Oct 21, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

jpellet wrote

"I am running a GEM how exactly do i change my data rates... I changed my packet send interval in GEM ...but that does not seem to make a difference to to he data rate..??  am i confusing the two?

 

thank you

jp"

 

go to

http://www.brultech.com/home/software/index.php/software/getsoft/1/1

 

and see "smart energy groups setup manual gem-seg

 
Oct 21, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

In 2008 I bought my first hybrid car, in 2009 I installed a Geothermal heating and air conditioning system. In 2012, I installed a 10,000 watt solar system. All these actions have dramatically reduced my carbon foot print. Over the course of the years a lot of people have called me an environmentalist and said that I’m going green. The truth is I’m not an environmentalist, I did this to save money and as for going green to me that means saving money. In order to save money sometimes you must spend money, nothing in life is free. After the installation of my solar system I became curious about what other opportunities existed to save some money. I had also taken a performance warrantee from the solar panel manufacture, this warrantee would pay money if the system did not produce as they claim. The panel manufacture supplied the monitoring of the panels which they would base the warrantee on, Since I’m such a trusting person I started to look at ways to monitor the panels on my own just to make sure that they are not overstating the panel production. One thing lead to another and I ended up buying a GEM from Brultech. Also around this time I discovered the SEG website, I joined SEG in June 2012, at that time I couldn’t get over that it was free, I actually sent an e-mail to Sam to ask about a paid account, Sam replied that at this time it’s free and he was trying to avoid the third party advertisers. I had told a couple of friends about SEG and said I don’t know how they are doing this for free. A business model of free just doesn’t work. Over the course of three years SEG has had some problems, I’ve lost some data, been frustrated at times but kept reminding myself that this is free. With that in mind I knew if I wanted my data I would need to also keep it myself. Again I turned to Brultech and bought a Dashbox. With all that said, SEG is a great site, I have capitalized on the data history that they had stored for me, I discovered various area’s that I could save money like my variable speed pool pump and hybrid hot water heater just to mention a few. Listen guys this site was free for many years, I truly think Sam has done a great job supporting the users, storing your data and overall is a great guy with a lot of patience. Truth be told if I was Sam I would have booted many of you out years ago. Remember this site was free…… It’s time to take a dump or get off the pot, stop your whining, I did, I opted for the free three stream deal at 1 minute intervals and one month of history. If you need more pay for it… Again nothing in life is free….

Again Sam thanks 

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

I am running a GEM how exactly do i change my data rates... I changed my packet send interval in GEM ...but that does not seem to make a difference to to he data rate..??  am i confusing the two?

 

thank you

jp

 

 
Oct 21, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Yes, people want more for less and a balance needs to be sought.

 
Oct 21, 2015
Icon_missing_medium kkemp 12 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Wait, are you seriously thinking you are going to delete all data after x months??!!????

 
Oct 21, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Ok good people of SEG.

There are are now three new fixed price plans available

https://smartenergygroups.com/pricing

Plus some small changes to the premium plan which is now called Platinum.

Also some other new and useful features

- on the account page is a stream summary information box.

- whilst in trial, the system will calculate a trial invoice

- you may switch between plans and see what works best.

- the trial invoice will point out your streams data rates, and those in excess of any included in the fixed price plans.

Some notes on the comments above:

General - I think the pricing where it is at is fair for fair use.  There are plans to cover SEGmeter and GEM setups at a reasonable price point.  There is also the platinum plan for people who want more, however super high data rates are going to cost!  Effectively you the member are in control of this and some rationaliation of how you choose to use the system should be made before complaining that crazy high data rate setups for 100+ streams are going to cost!  Bring your data rates down, and things become quite sensible.

Randy, unlikely - for a good many reasons.

RustyAmps, I am looking forward to getting over the hum with the billing engine - it has been a massive job, and driving me crazy.  I'm looking forward to doing some more enjoyable stuff like making new things, and improving things.  Post up in the comments and suggestions thread!

GregDePasse, It has taken a long time - some personal issues have been working against me over the last few years. The free trial period is the grace period as the kinks are worked out.  Storage is not the only issue, perhaps the biggest is my time - I am not being paid for any of this at the moment...  Disk is cheap when compared to time.  Also SEG ain't no Dropcam... I don't think there is any comparison.  Its a data analytics platform, that is full of all sorts of crazy algorithms and other complexity which is hidden under the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks,

Sam @sam

 

 
Oct 18, 2015
Icon_missing_medium GregDePasse 10 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

My 2 cents:

1.  I am surprised at how long it's taken for monetization to be an option.  SEG is a great dashboard, and worth paying for.

2.  The lack of information to give users an idea of what to expect to pay is shocking.  The account tab should show the number of streams, refresh rate and an estimate of what a monthly "Premium" bill will look like.

3.  The duration to make a decision is extremely short notice, especially in light of item #2 above.

4.  If storage is the cost driver then figure out how to recoup those costs. (a couple ideas - pay per block of storage and make it FIFO or provide tools to prune storage (remove datapoints as they age out, for instance).

5.  Any thought to selling the software to users and thereby allow them host in their own environment?

6.  I can't see myself paying more than $100/year for this.

(And as a datapoint: I pay ~$50USD annually for 1 week of 24/7 HD video recording space on Dropcam.  I can't imagine the SEG network and storage requirements are anywhere near my dropcam usage).

I get it and I want to support Sam and this site, and was actually happy to initially hear that there was going to be a premium version.  I was shocked when I did some quick mental math and came up with some numbers.

Greg

 

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