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Oct 8, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hey jpellet,

If the streams aren't in SEG then you won't be charged!  The excess data in the incoming will just end up in the bitbucket from the api processing.  It would be smarter to configure the GEM accordingly I'd think.

Sam, @samotage

 
Oct 8, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

?? on what constitutes a stream??..  my GEM will output  32  *_p and *_E values to SEG.....  I dont think there is a way to stop the packet from sending both... My question is ... if i do not use many of the e type streams and delete them  from "streams" in SEG ... would you still get charged.. 

I guess putting it another way... are we charged for what is coming in... or what we use... (if u can even tell??)  in the SEG

 

I fear the answer is you pay  for what is coming in... and since we cannot change what comes out of GEM (that i know of?)

 ... paying for 32 of the 64 "streams" that are not used... is an even bigger bummer...

 

Thanks

 

 
Oct 8, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hey Sandeen,

Some people have over a hundred!  Some of them are running 11 second data rates - that is a lot of data...  You seem to have a sensible number of streams.  The question in my mind, is what do everyone do with so much data?

The stream doubling is the smartest way to do the power/energy stuff.  Early on in the life of SEG the derivation of energy from power was experimented with - and it proved to be problematic in terms of variable time gaps and offline periods...  Energy needs to be continually integrated at the measurement point to calculate it correctly.

Hey Downs pig, welcome to the discussion!

Annual billing is an option, as well as quarterly - it needs to be set up by request at the moment.

Sam, @samotage

 

 
Oct 8, 2015
Image_medium Downs pig 1 post

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hi Sam

 

First post ever, I am a small user and would be happy to pay an annual fee rather be hit with account keeping fees every month!

Regards

 

Ross

 
Oct 8, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Ok People,

I have listened, and published new pricing.

https://smartenergygroups.com/pricing

This is significantly lower, and should change the discussion.  

A couple of points I'd like to make:

- Many people have a lot of data streams, and at times I wonder why so many?

- Robos, you have a particuarly high data rate, reducing this to a more sensible rate will make a big impact on your costs.

- This stuff is tricky, I'm not sure many know of the staggering complexity underneath SEG - It is not something I am going to go on about, however at some point I need to make some money so it can contunue.

- Free is a perspective.  Consider the pig, it doesn't pay for it's meals because the pig is the product. I don't want the SEG members to be the pig... think of the Facebook etc.

Let me know your thoughts.

Sam, @samotage

 
Oct 7, 2015
Create_profile_pic_medium Robos 2 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hi Sam

I really appreciate the last couple of years with SEG, however i would add my name to the list of users that will have to pull the plug at the proposed pricing. Quite right to point out data rates, your overheads and the need for cost recovery, and even a profit. No problem with that and would be happy to pay my share, but at $50+ a month, it is not an option.

I think that recovery of our previous data should be made possible, perhaps at a modest cost and the pricing reduced by a factor of at least 10.

I will watch the forum with interest to see how this develops.

 

Regards

Mark

 

 
Oct 7, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Sam,

 

For the record... I agree with sandeen regarding past history data...

 If that does help your situation...I could easily  live with  maybe a 2 month back look at most...  The past save no $$...  its the present I like to track....

 

Thanks for listening to us...

jp

 

 

 
Oct 7, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hi all,

Thanks for your feedback on pricing.  I appreciate it, and it is good to hear your views, and some very good points made.

What I am going to do, is review the pricing - to bring it down

Will post back here soon.

Sam, @samotage

 

 
Oct 7, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

WELL SAID Tnakelsk!!

 

 

 
Oct 7, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

I'm not oppossed to paying, I just think $1406.52 per year is a little steep. I know at least five people who use this site, they are all in this tread. I'm assuming most of them in this tread are power users that have on average 60 stream and a couple of calculated stream. Lets say with the new pricing model each one of us pays $50 per month, or $600 per year, that works out $3000 just for the five of us. Trust me I think the SEG site is great, but not that great at $50 per month. I also know that it does cost money to run this site I just think the new pricing model was not well thought out. 

I also think that any data that comes in with a fequency of less than 1 minute should be booted out of the system.

 

 
Oct 7, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Currently have a total of 116 streams plus 22 calculated stream. Monthly cost will be $117.21 (this is more than my monthly electric bill)..

Below is the break down, they sure add up.

32 energy, 32 power, 32 amps, 1 voltage, 19 temperature and 22 calculated streams.

 

 
Oct 7, 2015
Icon_missing_medium jpellet 42 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

sandeen...

from what i can see your calculation would be something like this.... but im just guessing

60 reqular streams with a (40-60 second  data) rate is 60*.59 = $ 35.40

say u have 4 calculated streams   thats $7.96

plus the overall accounting fee.. 4.99

total.. $35.40+7.96+4.99= $50/month!...    $600/yr... oucha...  

 

ya that pretty much wipes out the savings of the monitor...  :(

 

 

 
Oct 7, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Regardless of the calculated stream, just to send power, energy and amps to seg it will cost $60.00 u.s. Dollars per month if you use every channel of the gem. This doesn't include temperature and pulse channels. I think a flat rate per device pricing model should also be offered. In six months at $60 per month the roi on the dashbox is starting to look good.

 
Oct 7, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Glenn, you will need to ssh into it, and I know you have the chops to do it.

If not post back and let me know!

Sam.

 
Oct 7, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

Hey Glen and Tony,

Glenn, you an log into your SEGbox and change the data rate in the config file for your SEGbox.  

Tony, and others.  Subscribing to the trial will have a a zero cost invoice generated in the next two weeks (after subscription)  This will provide you with an estimate, and I take this on board too, as I think it would be sensible to have an estimate available and will work out how to do this ASAP.

Very soon, in the next 24 hours or so I will be providing some info about stream data rates, if it's not available in the config report in tools.  This is where it will be.  Plus there will be a warning displayed for people of sub 40 seconds streams.  As I have said many times, 45 seconds is optimal for SEG, however there are still heaps of people sendind sub 10 second data for some reason or another.

Data storage is expensive, and it's killing me!

Thanks for your feedback too, it's appreciated!  Besides SEG is for you - not some hidden third party.

Sam, @samotage

 
Oct 7, 2015
Tony1_medium tnakelsk 169 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

First off, I was hoping that for existing members Sam would of at least have given an estimate of the monthly cost based on what we have up and running now.

With that said, I send data to seg at one minute intervals, this gives a good balance of actual realtime readings. I currently have a dashbox along with my GEM and I'm going to take a hard look at using that. I might end up with a combination of seg and dashbox for my data.

 

Tony

 
Oct 7, 2015
Icon_missing_medium gdruce 16 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / Configuring Data Rates to work with the new pricing plans ?

What's the best way to configure the data rates to work with the new pricing model ?

Looking to back off my 41 streams from what looks like about a 40 sec data rate to something a little softer before I run out of the trial period.

 
Sep 25, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / anyone interface a seg-sytem to a timer/relay board? Want to control my sprinkler valves...

Hey Randy,

It can be done with your SEGmeter, which has relay outputs with the Relay in the SEGshop that hits up either 12V default or 5V with a small mod coils.  There are 3 controllable relays per SEGmeter.

I do know there are a bunch of other relay boards out there that can also be controlled by SEGmeter too.  Just about any 240V or 120V relay on the output side would work for 24VAC.

Sam, @samotage

 
Sep 19, 2015
Teles2012img_5162_medium dakinecrib 19 posts

Topic: SEGmeter / anyone interface a seg-sytem to a timer/relay board? Want to control my sprinkler valves...

anyone interface a seg-sytem to a timer/relay board? Want to control my sprinkler valves.

24VAC - need 12+ relays...

 

Thanks in advance for your interest and expertise!! - Randy

 
Sep 17, 2015
Samotage_300_medium samotage 555 posts

Topic: Brultech / HELP cant discover

Seems to me that things are rolling again!

Sam, @samotage

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